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« on: July 06, 2009, 11:36:17 PM » |
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Okay, so there has been discussion about Free Keene owning next year's Porcfest with banners and the FK Camp Zone, but we should take it to the next level and host our own event one of these days. Perhaps not this year, but who knows? There are no liberty events in NH in the Fall besides Free Keene Fest. This would be a great time of year to have a camping fest, but also likely the most tricky. Jesse has said he's heard good things about Swanzey Lake Camping Area (& it is close to Keene), but we should look at all Monadnock region campgrounds: http://www.rvresources.com/rv-parks-campgrounds/new-hampshire-rv-parks2.php#Monadnock-RegionMore importantly, the ideal situation in my opinion would be to have someone buy land in this area and (like in Grafton) create our own campground. That way we're not just pouring money into someone else's business. Camping fees and volunteers could be used to finance building a bath house and that sort of thing. The Graftonites are way ahead of us, but there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to do it better. Especially if we can find someone with capital to sponsor the buildings. (Sakal CAI Bathouse?) It just makes more sense to go this route if we can. The site could be rented to Porc campers all year long and serve as an excellent landing ground for newbies who don't mind roughing it. It's my understanding that Jesse will be calling the Swanzey campground to get some more info, but I wanted to open this up for discussion and brainstorming. Anyone have experience with the sites on the above list? All I've done is glanced at them, but Hinsdale campground looks pretty nice. Any favorites pop out at you? |
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russellkanning
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 07:22:26 AM » |
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you could get the boy scout camp next to mt monadnock for like $1000 for a whole week after their summertime action is done that includes all the buildings and use of the kitchen with all their equipment or you could start building up a camp like you said .... somewhere in marlborough might be nice  in some ways we have a perfect place to camp here in Grafton, but since the owner doesn't want to charge money we only get small donations ... that do not cover costs, let alone pay for adding facilities each year many of us have talked about this ..... for the kind of money spent at a place like Rogers $25/night ... you could build showers bathrooms, tons of stuph over time also ... if you didn't mind holding the event here at Hoyt Farm ... you could donate much less money than you would spend elsewhere, and we could add services (but it would not be convenient to Keene and would not build your own place) |
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FTL_Ian
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2009, 11:48:39 AM » |
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Neat idea, Russell! Is it the "Monadnock Wilderness Area"? Should one call the scouts to find out details? Couldn't find a website for it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2009, 12:03:34 PM » |
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Great idea.
I've been thinking about having an event in Sept.; like Ian said, there's nothing besides Free Keene Fest. Owning property would be the ideal long term plan but getting a deal and working with what exists now now would be the best short term plan.
With the "Soapbox Idol" (liberty rants) going so well at Porcfest, my idea would be to feature this "show, "Liberty Rantz" on Sat. eve of the event as well as group meals.
My long term goal is to be a part of a remote property that features an outdoor movie screen, restaurant, soaking hot waters and camping/cabin facilities so those interested in the same thing, please don't hesitate to contact me as we could begin the planning now.
As far as a Fall Event this year, I say we GO FOR IT, mid. september ish, as soon as the camping rush season is over that way we get the best weather (Russell's boy scout camp sounds interesting) and I'd be happy to "steer" this boat.
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FTL_Ian
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2009, 12:31:20 PM » |
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Most of the campgrounds' seasons end in October, so I suspect they stay pretty busy. Russell's post-summer boy scout camp sounds like an ideal balance between owning property and the established campgrounds.
It would be way cool to rent the entire place, and if it's really only $1,000 for a whole week, that would be amazingly cheap.
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David
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2009, 02:58:33 PM » |
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I had been thinking about this too, glad to know we are on the same page.  We have to steer clear of pumpkin fest weekend, as finding an overnight place would be near impossible. I wouldn't worry about buying anything, till we know weather or not it will be successful in the long run. I suggest find a campsite for a few days in the area, the closer to keene the better. Different event suggestions- hike mt monadnock, go to Elm City Brewery, Keenes only brewery, Vendettas for traditional social sundays, One pot cookoff, a very popular porcfest fundraiser. Scenic trips around town. It may be hard to get a campsite to allow it, but I would love to have a Freekeene Rib Burnoff.  I can't cook em, but would gladly pay to eat em. A real rib cookoff is one thing I really miss about ohio. If we could find a place to put it, and 4-6 minimum promises to cook, |
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« Last Edit: July 07, 2009, 03:01:01 PM by David »
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2009, 04:57:56 PM » |
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How much would the land cost? What price range are we talking about, including facilities? Around $100,000? Does the appeal of camping make it higher priority than the attainment of other gathering spaces? I would think a libertarian-owned Vendetta alternative would be more immediately profitable. I like the idea of a multi-day Free Keene fest (been thinking about that a lot lately), but I'm not sure if camping is the way to go. I love camping, but we are the liberty media capitol of the world.  I'd like to embrace technology. |
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FTL_Ian
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 06:00:21 PM » |
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You can get non-buildable land for cheap. Some is in Swanzey now for $8k. Price could be quite high. There's no reason why this and the hangout space can't both be done, nor any reason why we couldn't have some other gathering. Free Keene Fest is also available in Spring. If you can't see the benefit of having the only liberty event in NH amidst the fall foliage and in this area, you shouldn't be posting to this thread. I have only a little capital. I could swing renting out the scout camp, but at this point, that's about it. This is long-term planning and brainstorming. |
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FTL_Ian
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2009, 06:01:27 PM » |
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I like the idea of a multi-day Free Keene fest (been thinking about that a lot lately), but I'm not sure if camping is the way to go. I love camping, but we are the liberty media capitol of the world. I'd like to embrace technology. You could throw a conference at the Best Western Sovereign Hotel - not sure exactly what you have in mind. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2009, 09:26:26 AM » |
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You can get non-buildable land for cheap. Some is in Swanzey now for $8k. Price could be quite high.
Before this thread was started, I had/have been looking for cheap land in this area of NH. The problem I've run into with the places I found in Swanzey was that the land was either mostly wetlands, or the town won't allow building at all or even allow a trailer to be kept there for more than 6 months. But my idea was to buy some cheap land and use it as a camping/hunting spot with a trailer on it, eventually to build a more permanent cabinish type structure, but I wasn't sure what to do about the bureaucrats being able to come and steal whatever they wanted off the land or even the land itself, as I don't live in NH yet. So I was thinking about trying to find someone in the liberty community who could act as a property manager of sorts, and check up on it once a week or so, either for a small fee or for their use of the land as well. My point is, that there may be a way for both of these ideas to converge, in that if I were to acquire land, it could be used as the free keene camping fest location for that time period as a possible exchange for keeping track of it while I'm still out of state. I don't know if anyone would be interested in a joint venture, to be able to acquire more land than I can afford myself. I also don't know the particulars of how it would work with the details or any of that. Maybe it wouldn't work, maybe it would, I don't know. It might be worth looking into though. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2009, 03:53:00 PM » |
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Swanzey Lake Camp Area has expressed interest in letting us do our thing there, but they're particular on the dates and how many people we can guarantee to be there. I couldn't give them an honest answer on these particulars, so I'm hoping to get some feedback here.
Also, I was hoping SeizeTheMeans.org (the site I'll be launching in about a week) could co-sponsor the event. Since we'll functionally be the only two anti-State organizations in Keene, I see no reason why we couldn't collaborate on organizing.
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2009, 07:10:41 PM » |
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If this doesn't happen, you could always plan for several tables at the Live Free or Die Festival in Jaffery from August 21 to 23. The tables and camping are free. The entertainment is also free. Maybe ask if Mark Edge or Dawn Lincoln may speak at the event. Maybe after the free trial run this year at the LFOD Festival, do a full thing next year. Many of us know the organizers of the Festival. If you don't know them, I could introduce you to them.
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2009, 07:43:14 PM » |
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Strange that all the proposed locations for the Free Keene Fest are outside of Keene.
Thanks everyone for your work on it. It's a good event.
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2009, 10:40:54 PM » |
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If it's really just like $1k to rent the whole site, we could try to get 20 sponsors willing to contribute $50 which would get them a site and whatever else regular attendees get and then rent the rest of the sites at some lower rate, all of which could be used to cover other costs and then go into a fund and used for something for Free Keene or the CD Fund or something.
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