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« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2010, 04:21:28 PM »

Thank you Gard.

I think some language in my post shows just how emotional I am about this specific issue....... And were our Constitutions actually adhered to, we would never have to have this discussion.


Brad,

Already e-mailed you, but I want to lay down more words of praise here. Very thoughtful defense of your moral position, and something that should be spread far and wide among not only society, but among police officers everywhere.

If one wants you to argue any more along constitutional lines, you can also add that the US Constitution's "Contract Clause" forbids any state government from interfering in private contract, so clearly the sale of the drug in question (or any drug), should not be prohibited by the state according to the US Constitution.

Of course, I like the fact that you go further, into the ethics of it all, and such an analysis would connote further exploration of the true immorality of all government systems, but for those people in the populace who want to play the game of government according to supposedly "constitutional" rules, that game is yours to win, kimosabe.

Take care,

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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2010, 12:24:44 AM »

Very nice.
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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2010, 01:12:57 AM »

Gard, since you bring it up, is there any contract clause in the NH constitution?
There is none that I am aware of. New Hampshire made significant Federal case law under the Contract Clause when it tried to steal Dartmouth College back in the 1800s, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College_v._Woodward.
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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2010, 07:32:31 AM »

Gard, since you bring it up, is there any contract clause in the NH constitution?
There is none that I am aware of. New Hampshire made significant Federal case law under the Contract Clause when it tried to steal Dartmouth College back in the 1800s, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College_v._Woodward.

The federal Contracts Clause surely seems to invalidate every drug dealing or prohibition or victimless offense, nationwide...... And unlike the NH Constitution, does not have a "reasonably regulated" BS amendment.
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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2010, 07:56:17 AM »

One of our local Legal Hobbyist has come up with a concept that as far as we know hasn't been tried(ha ha). When they put together these onerous anti-drug laws rather than do their own research about drugs they adopted the Federal Schedule of illegal drugs.  Our Guru says this is a violation of Article 7 of the NH Constitution. I don't remember exactly but, I think one of the real lawyers said he didn't hate it.
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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2010, 11:26:40 AM »

I've recently been contacted by a fellow LEO who expressed his disagreement (but also his respect) with my now very public opinion on why I believe enforcing Marijauna laws, as applied to ill persons using it to relieve suffering, is unconstitutional.

I'd like to cover some of his concerns here...... and will quote directly from his e-mail:

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While I can certainly respect your position, I don't necessarily agree with the premise.  If I were to apply that logic to every effort to appeal laws over the years it would make it virtually impossible to enforce most if not all laws.

My simple response to this is that we are sworn to uphold the NH and US Constitutions.  Nowhere in the oath does it mention as interpreted by politically appointed lawyers who wear funny dresses.  In fact, throughout history, politically appointed lawyers who wear funny dresses have been quite responsible for screwing over mass amounts of people.  They're continuing to do it right now............ this declaration of mine is all about how I am no longer going to be a part of it.  I hope more LEO's will think critically and help disarm the power that the people have quietly traded away as their rights are stolen.

Examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment (In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the exclusion orders, while noting that the provisions that singled out people of Japanese ancestry were a separate issue outside the scope of the proceedings.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford (........ a decision by the United States Supreme Court that ruled that people of African descent imported into the United States and held as slaves, or their descendants—whether or not they were slaves—were not protected by the Constitution and could never be citizens of the United States.)

Literally, today, the NH Supreme Court, or US Supreme Court, could say right now that it is not unconstitutional for the police to assault black people as a re-interpretation of the document (Constitution) shows -them- that black people are still 3/5'ths of a person.  No more 42 USC 1983 for you, minority.

Would that make it Constitutional or right for the for the state to assault black people?  NO.

Would their words on paper (court or legislature) ever violate someones constitutional rights if you and I as the tip of the sword said NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?  Simply put: no.

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There have been legislative attempts to repeal current DWI laws, mandatory arrest law for RO violations, etc.  Am I to understand that because all means of redress were ineffectual that officers should be allowed to disregard the will of the legislature?

With those examples, no.  It is my belief that those laws are Constitutional.

Should the "will of the legislature" (two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner) clearly and plainly contrast with the NH Constitution, then their will should be disregarded.  And it is not a question of whether or not officers "should be allowed" ...... we have a sworn duty to.

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I happen to believe that my job is to execute the laws passed by the legislative branch of government.

If Jim Crow laws were passed again, and the courts allowed them, would you just do your job and enforce them?  I wouldn't.

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It would be dangerous if we allowed officers to pick and choose which laws they wished to enforce.  One may not feel that sex between and adult and a child (think 20 year old man and 15 year old girl) is wrong and decide not to investigate.  Another may not believe in abortion and therefore may not wish to guard an abortion clinic that has been threatened.

Officers pick and choose which laws to enforce EVERY SINGLE DAY.  You know it and I know it.  If I don't want to stop someone for speeding, I wont.  If I do, I will.

Do you know how many laws you disregard enforcing on a daily basis?

184:30-d Use of Milk Containers. – No milk and milk product container shall be used as a receptacle for any substance other than dairy products.

184:30-f Penalty. – Any person who shall violate any of the provisions of this chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.


Why on Earth have you not arrested people in Dunkin Donuts for this?  In fact, why on Earth have you not arrested kids at your local high school for using milk crates for recycling club?

If it is dangerous to allow officers to choose which laws to enforce, we need to crack down on the use of milk containers ASAP.

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It doesn't seem to be good public policy to allow officer to pick and choose which laws they are willing to enforce and which they are not.  

Was it good public policy for Rosa Parks to be arrested?  You realize that there is a sincere possibility that 40 years from now we will look back on the way we treated people who merely possessed an unapproved plant with the same disdain that we look back on the way black people were treated.  How much injustice in the world could have been stopped if the people on the tip of the sword (soliders, police) simply looked back at the people making the unjust/unconstitutional laws and said to them: NO.

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I have a significant amount of training relative to internal investigations couple with labor relations training and experience and and it's my opinion that refusing to enforce laws is one area that will get you into a boat load of trouble.  I respect your position though and admire your courage for standing up for what you believe in.

You may very well be right.............  But I will not violate my oath.  Through this rather unfortunate series of circumstances surrounding my suspension, almost termination, and now return to work, I have become much more aware of what my responsibilities are as I sit on the tip of the sword.

I just want more LEO's to be as mutually aware.

And thank you for your kind words.  It is very nice to hear from a fellow LEO that although they may not agree with me, they respect that I am trying to stand up for what I believe is right.

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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2010, 01:37:23 PM »

I've recently been contacted by a fellow LEO who expressed his disagreement (but also his respect) with my now very public opinion on why I believe enforcing Marijauna laws, as applied to ill persons using it to relieve suffering, is unconstitutional.

I'd like to cover some of his concerns here...... and will quote directly from his e-mail:

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While I can certainly respect your position, I don't necessarily agree with the premise.  If I were to apply that logic to every effort to appeal laws over the years it would make it virtually impossible to enforce most if not all laws.

My simple response to this is that we are sworn to uphold the NH and US Constitutions.  Nowhere in the oath does it mention as interpreted by politically appointed lawyers who wear funny dresses.  In fact, throughout history, politically appointed lawyers who wear funny dresses have been quite responsible for screwing over mass amounts of people.  They're continuing to do it right now............ this declaration of mine is all about how I am no longer going to be a part of it.  I hope more LEO's will think critically and help disarm the power that the people have quietly traded away as their rights are stolen.

Examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment (In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the exclusion orders, while noting that the provisions that singled out people of Japanese ancestry were a separate issue outside the scope of the proceedings.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford (........ a decision by the United States Supreme Court that ruled that people of African descent imported into the United States and held as slaves, or their descendants—whether or not they were slaves—were not protected by the Constitution and could never be citizens of the United States.)

Literally, today, the NH Supreme Court, or US Supreme Court, could say right now that it is not unconstitutional for the police to assault black people as a re-interpretation of the document (Constitution) shows -them- that black people are still 3/5'ths of a person.  No more 42 USC 1983 for you, minority.

Would that make it Constitutional or right for the for the state to assault black people?  NO.

Would their words on paper (court or legislature) ever violate someones constitutional rights if you and I as the tip of the sword said NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?  Simply put: no.

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There have been legislative attempts to repeal current DWI laws, mandatory arrest law for RO violations, etc.  Am I to understand that because all means of redress were ineffectual that officers should be allowed to disregard the will of the legislature?

With those examples, no.  It is my belief that those laws are Constitutional.

Should the "will of the legislature" (two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner) clearly and plainly contrast with the NH Constitution, then their will should be disregarded.  And it is not a question of whether or not officers "should be allowed" ...... we have a sworn duty to.

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I happen to believe that my job is to execute the laws passed by the legislative branch of government.

If Jim Crow laws were passed again, and the courts allowed them, would you just do your job and enforce them?  I wouldn't.

Quote
It would be dangerous if we allowed officers to pick and choose which laws they wished to enforce.  One may not feel that sex between and adult and a child (think 20 year old man and 15 year old girl) is wrong and decide not to investigate.  Another may not believe in abortion and therefore may not wish to guard an abortion clinic that has been threatened.

Officers pick and choose which laws to enforce EVERY SINGLE DAY.  You know it and I know it.  If I don't want to stop someone for speeding, I wont.  If I do, I will.

Do you know how many laws you disregard enforcing on a daily basis?

184:30-d Use of Milk Containers. – No milk and milk product container shall be used as a receptacle for any substance other than dairy products.

184:30-f Penalty. – Any person who shall violate any of the provisions of this chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.


Why on Earth have you not arrested people in Dunkin Donuts for this?  In fact, why on Earth have you not arrested kids at your local high school for using milk crates for recycling club?

If it is dangerous to allow officers to choose which laws to enforce, we need to crack down on the use of milk containers ASAP.

Quote
It doesn't seem to be good public policy to allow officer to pick and choose which laws they are willing to enforce and which they are not.  

Was it good public policy for Rosa Parks to be arrested?  You realize that there is a sincere possibility that 40 years from now we will look back on the way we treated people who merely possessed an unapproved plant with the same disdain that we look back on the way black people were treated.  How much injustice in the world could have been stopped if the people on the tip of the sword (soliders, police) simply looked back at the people making the unjust/unconstitutional laws and said to them: NO.

Quote
I have a significant amount of training relative to internal investigations couple with labor relations training and experience and and it's my opinion that refusing to enforce laws is one area that will get you into a boat load of trouble.  I respect your position though and admire your courage for standing up for what you believe in.

You may very well be right.............  But I will not violate my oath.  Through this rather unfortunate series of circumstances surrounding my suspension, almost termination, and now return to work, I have become much more aware of what my responsibilities are as I sit on the tip of the sword.

I just want more LEO's to be as mutually aware.

And thank you for your kind words.  It is very nice to hear from a fellow LEO that although they may not agree with me, they respect that I am trying to stand up for what I believe is right.



Excellent letter. I particularly liked your use of the example of Rosa Parks. At no time in society, in no capacity, do we need men who will blindly obey orders without engaging their own conscience. No man should ever do something he knows to be morally wrong.
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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2010, 08:15:47 PM »

This thread has gotten me removed from LEAP.

Below is the email I received from the Executive Director..... I feel kind of silly even addressing someone with as much law enforcement experience as he has on what our "oath" is.

Anyways. No hard feelings. Cheesy

As Don Henley says: "You better put it all behind you baby, cause life goes on." !!

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From: "Jack A. Cole" <jackacole@leap.cc>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:22:12 -0500

Subject: Notice rescinding LEAP speaker status
To: Bradley Jardis <bjardis@gmail.com>

Dear Bradley Jardis,

I have tried but am unable to reach you by telephone.

It has come to LEAP's attention from the below blog entry, that you have
chosen to violate the oath you took on joining the police department; to
enforce all the laws of the federal and state governments in which your
police department has jurisdiction. And worse, you are calling on other law
enforcement officials to violate their oaths of office.

This is the opposite of what LEAP requires of our representatives. We have
always said that we will in no way ask that any law enforcer decline to do
his or her duty by refusing to enforce the laws as they are currently
recorded. That would be unethical and wrong. What we do call on them for is
take action on their off-duty time to help us change those laws.

Because you have so blatantly stepped over that line, your actions have
caused people to lose respect for our organization, which leads to a loss of
our credibility within the public, the media and the policymakers; the very
people whom we are trying to convince to change these laws.

The Executive Board of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition was made aware of
your actions in their January 22, 2010 Board meeting. They were unanimous in
their decision that you must no longer represent Law Enforcement Against
Prohibition while espousing this belief.

As Executive Director of LEAP, I therefore am notifying you that,
effectively immediately, you are to stop referring to yourself as a speaker
for or member of LEAP in your publications, interviews, and public or
private addresses.

Sincerely,

Jack A. Cole
Executive Director
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
121 Mystic Avenue, Medford, MA 02155
(781) 393-6985 LEAP Office         (781) 393 2964 FAX
(781) 396-0183 Home Office        (617) 792-3877 Cell
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<http://www.leap.cc/>
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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2010, 08:32:06 PM »

I think you should start "Just Say No to Enforcing Bad Laws", or JSNEBL

The name could use some work...
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« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2010, 08:38:47 PM »

LEAP just cut off someone that got them into newspapers around the region? One of the few brave enough to join while still being a LEO? Saying it would be "immoral and wrong" to encourage police to not hurt people?

Ah well, throw them in the Beaurocrash bucket.
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« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2010, 09:30:33 PM »

Wow. That decision so completely makes sense. Maybe you should start your own movement. Sad
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« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2010, 09:32:48 PM »

How about "Refuse to Enforce Bad Laws", or REBL?

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« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2010, 09:33:26 PM »

Wow. That decision so completely makes sense. Maybe you should start your own movement. Sad

LEO's who individually choose to read the Constitution?

Hey, they are a private group and have every right to choose who they want to affiliate with.  I may not agree with it.......... but will respect their ability to choose who they want to affiliate with.

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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2010, 09:37:04 PM »

How about "Refuse to Enforce Bad Laws", or REBL?

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It is not as if I even said something as "radical" as that.

All I said was that I re-read the Constitution-------------------------- and that it plainly prohibits enforcement of Marijuana laws, as applied to people who use it for its medicinal values.

LEAP does not tolerate such open Constitutional challenge by its members.  And that's okay Smiley
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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2010, 09:42:27 PM »

You aren't supposed to follow the Constitution; you're supposed to do what you're told!

Excuse me for a minute while I ask LEAP to kindly remove me from their mailing lists.
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